[Devon]

The "E" there clearly means estimated, no reason to think CU has any inside dope on the pricing, it's a guess.

What do the black dots for reliability in that table signify? Average?

 

[zenki]

The "E" there clearly means estimated, no reason to think CU has any inside dope on the pricing, it's guess.

What do the black dots for reliability in that table signify? Average?

I think the black dot just indicates a passing grade, not 100% sure. But nothing about the outgoing 370z in recent years seems to be of much concern. Most owners I know have nothing to complain about, only that at this point it feels aged.

 

[Z34Nismo]

I think the black dot just indicates a passing grade, not 100% sure. But nothing about the outgoing 370z in recent years seems to be of much concern. Most owners I know have nothing to complain about, only that at this point it feels aged.

After all its years of production there wasn't really anything left to fix on the 370.

It was the second lowest warranty repair cost vehicle in their lineup, second only to Frontier.

 

[kbl911]

After all its years of production there wasn't really anything left to fix on the 370.

It was the second lowest warranty repair cost vehicle in their lineup, second only to Frontier.

Exactly. They'd basically perfected the vehicle, such as it was. Generally very reliable if left unmolested and mostly stock, from a mechanical standpoint.

 

[ZSpeed]

After all its years of production there wasn't really anything left to fix on the 370.

It was the second lowest warranty repair cost vehicle in their lineup, second only to Frontier.

Did you own a 370Z or any other Z cars?
Apparently the annual repair costs for the 370 ranged around $500, I can live with that:
"The Nissan 370Z Reliability Rating is 4.0 out of 5.0, which ranks it 23rd out of 36 for compact cars. The average annual repair cost is $504 which means it has lower than average ownership costs."

Nissan 370Z Reliability - 2022 Ratings | RepairPal

How reliable is your Nissan 370Z? The 2022 Reliability Rating by RepairPal tells you how often major repairs are required and ownership costs.

repairpal.com

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[G37]

It’s basically an updated 370Z with a “new” engine from the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport which has been out for years. I think the only significant issues with the new Z will be infotainment as well as fit and finish issues being a new car. All told, a safe-ish bet on decent first-year reliability. That said, the 2nd and 3rd years of production almost always have fewer squeaks, rattles and other minor nuisances, plus a year or two from now prices will normalize so patience will definitely pay off.

 

[zenki]

It’s basically an updated 370Z with a “new” engine from the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport which has been out for years. I think the only significant issues with the new Z will be infotainment as well as fit and finish issues being a new car. All told, a safe-ish bet on decent first-year reliability. That said, the 2nd and 3rd years of production almost always have fewer squeaks, rattles and other minor nuisances, plus a year or two from now prices will normalize so patience will definitely pay off.

Well said, the new Z sure seems well positioned for success, enough that I wouldn't care to see one in person before taking delivery of mine.

Interestingly, the Maxima lead a quality study by J.D. Power back in mid-2021:

Nissan Maxima is industry's top performer in J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study. NASHVILLE – The results are in and Nissan has recorded remarkable gains in the J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study (IQS) awards, including three top segment rankings out of seven eligible Nissan nameplates. Aug 31, 2021

Nissan Maxima is industry’s top performer in J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study

The results are in and Nissan has recorded remarkable gains in the J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study (IQS) awards, including three top segment rankings out of seven eligible Nissan nameplates.

usa.nissannews.com

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[G37]

Well said, the new Z sure seems well positioned for success, enough that I wouldn't care to see one in person before taking delivery of mine.

Interestingly, the Maxima lead a quality study by J.D. Power back in mid-2021:

Nissan Maxima is industry's top performer in J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study. NASHVILLE – The results are in and Nissan has recorded remarkable gains in the J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study (IQS) awards, including three top segment rankings out of seven eligible Nissan nameplates. Aug 31, 2021

Nissan Maxima is industry’s top performer in J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study

The results are in and Nissan has recorded remarkable gains in the J.D. Power 2021 Initial Quality Study (IQS) awards, including three top segment rankings out of seven eligible Nissan nameplates.

usa.nissannews.com

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I bought a 96 Maxima SE (auto for the wife) new back in 95. I got 165k miles from it before selling it to a college student for $3500 in 2004. The following generation shared its high quality and reliability scores but the generation after that was BUTT UGLY and reliability went down where it stayed until recently, based on J.D. Power’s initial quality study. Bear in mind that initial quality is only when the car is new and has nothing to do with long term reliability.

 

[Ryoko]

I wonder what the dealer markup will be? I was in the process of getting a Civic SI until my wife got into an accident and the dealer was cool enough to let me shift my reserve downpayment on a lot car. But some of the Civic SI's are going for $5k to $7k over sticker price and god knows what things will be like in 6 months when the Z hits the dealerships. So I'm wondering if we're going to get robbed at the dealerships. Does anyone know if Nissan tries to regulate dealer markups or is it all fair game?

 

[ZSpeed]

I wonder what the dealer markup will be? I was in the process of getting a Civic SI until my wife got into an accident and the dealer was cool enough to let me shift my reserve downpayment on a lot car. But some of the Civic SI's are going for $5k to $7k over sticker price and god knows what things will be like in 6 months when the Z hits the dealerships. So I'm wondering if we're going to get robbed at the dealerships. Does anyone know if Nissan tries to regulate dealer markups or is it all fair game?

Welcome to the forum. I can see it get a bad as markups seen with the A90 Supra, or worse.

 

[G37]

Welcome to the forum. I can see it get a bad as markups seen with the A90 Supra, or worse.
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I was surprised the Supra was as hot as it was when it debuted given its looks (bad), BMW guts (questionable reliability & expensive repair/maintenance) and the lack of a manual transmission. The Z doesn’t have any of those problems - it’s better-looking, it’s really a Japanese Nissan (more reliable and cheaper to maintain) and can be had with a stick. On top of that, it’s cheaper than the Supra ever was. Given today’s geo-political upheaval, ongoing supply chain issues and mundane cars CONTINUING to sell for more than MSRP, I have to believe that most Z’s will go for MSRP+ though there has been some anecdotal evidence on this board indicating MSRP and below is possible but that’ll be the exception, not the rule.

 

[zenki]

I was surprised the Supra was as hot as it was when it debuted given its looks (bad), BMW guts (questionable reliability & expensive repair/maintenance) and the lack of a manual transmission. The Z doesn’t have any of those problems - it’s better-looking, it’s really a Japanese Nissan (more reliable and cheaper to maintain) and can be had with a stick. On top of that, it’s cheaper than the Supra ever was. Given today’s geo-political upheaval, ongoing supply chain issues and mundane cars CONTINUING to sell for more than MSRP, I have to believe that most Z’s will go for MSRP+ though there has been some anecdotal evidence on this board indicating MSRP and below is possible but that’ll be the exception, not the rule.

The A90 is a great sports car and that might be why it sells well enough. It also helps that after 20 years of no Supra, a new demographic of sports car buyers are around and don't care that it's not a true Supra.

It might help to start getting dealers to commit to MSRP in writing.

 

[G37]

The A90 is a great sports car and that might be why it sells well enough. It also helps that after 20 years of no Supra, a new demographic of sports car buyers are around and don't care that it's not a true Supra.

It might help to start getting dealers to commit to MSRP in writing.

In addition to the previous Supra complaints, how about this: It can’t be driven with the windows open because of unbearable wind buffeting. It’s a known flaw for which Toyota has no fix. Google “Supra buffeting”. If they called the MKV ANYTHING other than a Supra, it might be perceived as a better car. As is, it’s not even close to as good as the Z - and that’s before it’s even tested.

 

[kbl911]

In addition to the previous Supra complaints, how about this: It can’t be driven with the windows open because of unbearable wind buffeting. It’s a known flaw for which Toyota has no fix. Google “Supra buffeting”. If they called the MKV ANYTHING other than a Supra, it might be perceived as a better car. As is, it’s not even close to as good as the Z - and that’s before it’s even tested.

The wind buffeting issue is inexcusable. I recall reading about it in the early automotive reviews of the 2020 A90s. That's such a basic thing that should have been noticed during numerous phases of development. It has taken the aftermarket to correct the problem, which is sad.

 

[Ryoko]

Welcome to the forum. I can see it get a bad as markups seen with the A90 Supra, or worse.
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Holly F... I can understand it being a "Premium Launch Edition" but no way in hell that's worth a $50k + markup. That's just being stupid. Do the dealers understand that adding a "market adjustment" like that is going to stop people from buying the car? Look what happened to the CTS-V, they marked it up to the point where people that would otherwise be in the market for it said the hell with it and either went with a Vette or went with something non-GM. I can wait a few years if a Z with a NISMO package is going to be marked up beyond common sense. It might even make me not get the car and look into something else. So I'm hoping they don't go full dumbass.

 

[500z]

I was looking at cargurus, autodtraders, etc. and most of the used Supras are within $52k-60k price range. I've seen a 3.0 version with 18k miles asking $56k 😂

 

[Freds_Z_Life]

Is Jonathan Buhler leaving us a hint of what could come this week? Maybe Price Release and more information?

 

[zenki]

Is Jonathan Buhler leaving us a hint of what could come this week? Maybe Price Release and more information?

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I sure hope so. Good to see Nissan's product guy make a post like this.

 

[202? Z]

Holly F... I can understand it being a "Premium Launch Edition" but no way in hell that's worth a $50k + markup. That's just being stupid. Do the dealers understand that adding a "market adjustment" like that is going to stop people from buying the car? Look what happened to the CTS-V, they marked it up to the point where people that would otherwise be in the market for it said the hell with it and either went with a Vette or went with something non-GM. I can wait a few years if a Z with a NISMO package is going to be marked up beyond common sense. It might even make me not get the car and look into something else. So I'm hoping they don't go full dumbass.

The real dumbasses the one that pays the stupid mark up.