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Hello everyone,

I've owned a ton of Japanese imports in my life. But none can match the excitement I have back when I owned my 1993 300ZX TT. It was the second car I ever owned (first one being a 2001 Impreza RS) and selling it was one of the biggest car mistakes I ever made. Although, to be fair, I hated working in that engine bay, and I was never that great of a mechanic (youtube wasn't a thing back then but I'm not THAT old). As a broke college kid, I just couldn't afford to keep it.

Now 14 years later, I'm a the point in my life where I can now afford a new Z. It's going to be a tough decision as I prefer to have a sedan (I have a toddler now), and I'm really torn between the this and the new STI coming out. I will say the Z has the edge rn since it will likely be released sooner and the new spy pictures of the WRX looks goddamn ugly af. BUT no back seat on the Z cars will pose an issue.

Either way, I'm SUPER excited about this Z, probably the most excited I've ever been about a Nissan since the initial announcement of the 350Z. Its the nicest looking Nissan I've ever seen and thats a huge endorsement from a former 300ZX owner.

Anyways happy to be here and can't wait to talk more about it!
 

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Hey @youra6. Great choice on choosing the Z to be your milestone marker if it works out in the end.
Do you think you're more likely to get the STi or the Z?

Any pics of your old cars? Would love to see that 300ZX!
 

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From a Z32 owner here, how about finding a Z32 2+2 and turbo'ing it? You'll have something rare and you'll save several grand.

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Really liked the green paint on the Z32. Mine was cherry red pearl (If I remember that correctly). Looks clean. :)

I think the major reason why I won't is that finding a clean one now is gonna be ridiculously hard. Most ones I've seen are super beat up at this point and even finding one is hard. It was hard back in 2008-2009, I can't imagine how difficult it is now. But it's definitely come across my mind.
 

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Hey @youra6. Great choice on choosing the Z to be your milestone marker if it works out in the end.
Do you think you're more likely to get the STi or the Z?

Any pics of your old cars? Would love to see that 300ZX!
I have pics of my 2014 WRX and Evo 8 RS, Mazdaspeed 6... Unfortunately pictures of my Impreza and Z32 are all gone. It's on a flip phone probably in a landfill by now lol.

If both cars were out and with the information I have now, Z no question. I would keep my current Mustang GT (hilarious since that thing barely fits a car seat) and sell my Evo 8 which is more built for autocross and isn't as DD friendly.
 

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I have pics of my 2014 WRX and Evo 8 RS, Mazdaspeed 6... Unfortunately pictures of my Impreza and Z32 are all gone. It's on a flip phone probably in a landfill by now lol.

If both cars were out and with the information I have now, Z no question. I would keep my current Mustang GT (hilarious since that thing barely fits a car seat) and sell my Evo 8 which is more built for autocross and isn't as DD friendly.
I know I want to see some Evo 8 pics!
 

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Hello everyone,

I've owned a ton of Japanese imports in my life. But none can match the excitement I have back when I owned my 1993 300ZX TT. It was the second car I ever owned (first one being a 2001 Impreza RS) and selling it was one of the biggest car mistakes I ever made. Although, to be fair, I hated working in that engine bay, and I was never that great of a mechanic (youtube wasn't a thing back then but I'm not THAT old). As a broke college kid, I just couldn't afford to keep it.

Now 14 years later, I'm a the point in my life where I can now afford a new Z. It's going to be a tough decision as I prefer to have a sedan (I have a toddler now), and I'm really torn between the this and the new STI coming out. I will say the Z has the edge rn since it will likely be released sooner and the new spy pictures of the WRX looks goddamn ugly af. BUT no back seat on the Z cars will pose an issue.

Either way, I'm SUPER excited about this Z, probably the most excited I've ever been about a Nissan since the initial announcement of the 350Z. Its the nicest looking Nissan I've ever seen and thats a huge endorsement from a former 300ZX owner.

Anyways happy to be here and can't wait to talk more about it!
Welcome @youra6! What are you favorite parts of the Z from what you've seen so far? I hope it wins over the WRX STI when you decide place your order haha.
 

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Welcome fellow Z32 owner. I sold my z32 the day after they unveiled the z35! Can’t wait for this thing to come out!
 

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Welcome @youra6! What are you favorite parts of the Z from what you've seen so far? I hope it wins over the WRX STI when you decide place your order haha.
Hmm tough question, I do like the fact they are giving the engine a much needed upgrade. But I have to say I absolutely LOVE how the designers paid homage to its lineage. The new Z actually took inspiration to its predecessors like the S14, S15, 300zx, etc... When you look at a STI, there is no damn respect at all to its pedigree at all.

The new WRX just looks like an uninspired mid sized sedan. What the hell happened to its rallying roots? Where the hell did the "World Rally eXperimental" part of the car go?? To me, the new WRX screams full of market research bullshit with no care in the world for what its core fanbase actually wants. Sorry ending my rant here. :D

I read an article which said the STI is delayed until 2023.... if thats the case I'm buying a Z for sure!
 

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I have pics of my 2014 WRX and Evo 8 RS, Mazdaspeed 6... Unfortunately pictures of my Impreza and Z32 are all gone. It's on a flip phone probably in a landfill by now lol.

If both cars were out and with the information I have now, Z no question. I would keep my current Mustang GT (hilarious since that thing barely fits a car seat) and sell my Evo 8 which is more built for autocross and isn't as DD friendly.
Good choice! Z all the way. It would be great if the rear could fit child seats.

What do you think about this new Evo rendering?
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Hmm tough question, I do like the fact they are giving the engine a much needed upgrade. But I have to say I absolutely LOVE how the designers paid homage to its lineage. The new Z actually took inspiration to its predecessors like the S14, S15, 300zx, etc... When you look at a STI, there is no damn respect at all to its pedigree at all.

The new WRX just looks like an uninspired mid sized sedan. What the hell happened to its rallying roots? Where the hell did the "World Rally eXperimental" part of the car go?? To me, the new WRX screams full of market research bullshit with no care in the world for what its core fanbase actually wants. Sorry ending my rant here. :D

I read an article which said the STI is delayed until 2023.... if thats the case I'm buying a Z for sure!
I was in the market three and a half years ago and a new Supra 6MT along with the upcoming next-gen WRX/STi were at the top of the list. Then I learned the Supra would be a BMW Supra (BMDupra) - and auto-only at that I’d later learn. I had zero interest. The problem was, Subaru kept pushing the next-gen further and further into the future. Usually it’s a five-year model cycle so I expected 2019 (the 2015 WRX was released in 2014), then it was pushed to 2020 THEN 2021 (UGH!) and probably late in the year at that. The expression, “A bird in hand is worth two in the bush” applies here. I had patiently waited years for my mid-life-crisis car and while waiting I was sorely disappointed by both which led me to find a low mileage garage queen of a G37 6MT which I jumped on for half what I would’ve spent on an STi. I’ve enjoyed it thoroughly for the last two years and don’t regret that purchase one iota. 330 NA horsepower never felt so sweet. An HKS Hi-Power catback and Eibach sways have been the cherry on top. Now you’re saying you heard it’s 2023 for an STi? That probably means it’s going to be a 2023 model year to be released in 2022 perhaps? I Dunno. Either way, LIFE’S TOO SHORT!!! Forget the procrastinating (and likely frumpy-looking) Subaru and go with the 400Z bird in hand. Good luck!!!
 

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I was in the market three and a half years ago and a new Supra 6MT along with the upcoming next-gen WRX/STi were at the top of the list. Then I learned the Supra would be a BMW Supra (BMDupra) - and auto-only at that I’d later learn. I had zero interest. The problem was, Subaru kept pushing the next-gen further and further into the future. Usually it’s a five-year model cycle so I expected 2019 (the 2015 WRX was released in 2014), then it was pushed to 2020 THEN 2021 (UGH!) and probably late in the year at that. The expression, “A bird in hand is worth two in the bush” applies here. I had patiently waited years for my mid-life-crisis car and while waiting I was sorely disappointed by both which led me to find a low mileage garage queen of a G37 6MT which I jumped on for half what I would’ve spent on an STi. I’ve enjoyed it thoroughly for the last two years and don’t regret that purchase one iota. 330 NA horsepower never felt so sweet. An HKS Hi-Power catback and Eibach sways have been the cherry on top. Now you’re saying you heard it’s 2023 for an STi? That probably means it’s going to be a 2023 model year to be released in 2022 perhaps? I Dunno. Either way, LIFE’S TOO SHORT!!! Forget the procrastinating (and likely frumpy-looking) Subaru and go with the 400Z bird in hand. Good luck!!!
Hmm tough question, I do like the fact they are giving the engine a much needed upgrade. But I have to say I absolutely LOVE how the designers paid homage to its lineage. The new Z actually took inspiration to its predecessors like the S14, S15, 300zx, etc... When you look at a STI, there is no damn respect at all to its pedigree at all.

The new WRX just looks like an uninspired mid sized sedan. What the hell happened to its rallying roots? Where the hell did the "World Rally eXperimental" part of the car go?? To me, the new WRX screams full of market research bullshit with no care in the world for what its core fanbase actually wants. Sorry ending my rant here. :D

I read an article which said the STI is delayed until 2023.... if thats the case I'm buying a Z for sure!
You already read my previous reply, in which I forgot to mention the Honda Civic Type-R was also on my list (along with Supra & next gen WRX/STi) and I didn’t even have a chance at that car because at the time it had just come out and I wasn’t paying one single cent over MSRP, not to mention the $5K markup the dealer wanted, for which they prepared a “Type-R package” which included a t-shirt, mug, jacket and duffel bag. Not bad for $5K, right?😜 . Whatever you do, try not to patronize a dealer that’ll do to your Z what most (but not all) Honda dealers did with the CTR. JMHO
 

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You already read my previous reply, in which I forgot to mention the Honda Civic Type-R was also on my list (along with Supra & next gen WRX/STi) and I didn’t even have a chance at that car because at the time it had just come out and I wasn’t paying one single cent over MSRP, not to mention the $5K markup the dealer wanted, for which they prepared a “Type-R package” which included a t-shirt, mug, jacket and duffel bag. Not bad for $5K, right?😜 . Whatever you do, try not to patronize a dealer that’ll do to your Z what most (but not all) Honda dealers did with the CTR. JMHO
I remember seeing the 2015 WRX for the first time and was massively disappointed. So much so, I ended up buying the 2014 Wagon instead. As far as the Type-R mark up goes, I think its a little unfair to compare the two. Honda on purpose keeps the Type R inventory low to increase demand.

Although I'm never a fan of that practice, the reason Honda dealerships do that is because... they can. I doubt the Nissan Z can pull the same kind of demand that the Type R does.

5K markup is actually lower than what I've seen some dealers do. I've seen as high as 15K markup which is just asinine. 54K for a Civic? Never, nope, not even once. Thats getting close to Vette , Mustang GT350 territory.
 

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I remember seeing the 2015 WRX for the first time and was massively disappointed. So much so, I ended up buying the 2014 Wagon instead. As far as the Type-R mark up goes, I think its a little unfair to compare the two. Honda on purpose keeps the Type R inventory low to increase demand.

Although I'm never a fan of that practice, the reason Honda dealerships do that is because... they can. I doubt the Nissan Z can pull the same kind of demand that the Type R does.

5K markup is actually lower than what I've seen some dealers do. I've seen as high as 15K markup which is just asinine. 54K for a Civic? Never, nope, not even once. Thats getting close to Vette , Mustang GT350 territory.
You did extremely well picking up a WRX wagon! By the time I test drove the 2015 WRX, the wagons were all gone so I never had the chance to even drive it. As for the CTR markup, I mentioned the $5K-$10K range b/c that was what dealers charged in my area. I certainly read about $15K and up but never saw it near me. Having said that, if the CTR inventory were kept artificially low, wouldn’t we see mark up on them now? Two dealers in my area have been selling them for at or below MSRP for over a year now according to a neighbor in the business. NVM the CTR, this is Z country so back to the matter at hand. I’ll agree with you that they’ll be enough Z’s to go around so there won’t be much gouging, but let me ask those impatient and/or we’ll-heeled folks willing to pay more to get the first ones..Not you, but people in general. “A few months after one buys a Z for a big mark up, and you then see a bunch of Z’s all over the place, how will you feel knowing they ALL got a better deal than you? Also by being a little patient, they were all more likely to get the color/options they wanted rather than choosing from whatever 2-4 cars your dealer initially had available. How would that feel? At my age I’ve come to appreciate the saying, “Patience is a virtue”, as it pertains to wanting to be the first on the block with that new car.
 

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You did extremely well picking up a WRX wagon! By the time I test drove the 2015 WRX, the wagons were all gone so I never had the chance to even drive it. As for the CTR markup, I mentioned the $5K-$10K range b/c that was what dealers charged in my area. I certainly read about $15K and up but never saw it near me. Having said that, if the CTR inventory were kept artificially low, wouldn’t we see mark up on them now? Two dealers in my area have been selling them for at or below MSRP for over a year now according to a neighbor in the business. NVM the CTR, this is Z country so back to the matter at hand. I’ll agree with you that they’ll be enough Z’s to go around so there won’t be much gouging, but let me ask those impatient and/or we’ll-heeled folks willing to pay more to get the first ones..Not you, but people in general. “A few months after one buys a Z for a big mark up, and you then see a bunch of Z’s all over the place, how will you feel knowing they ALL got a better deal than you? Also by being a little patient, they were all more likely to get the color/options they wanted rather than choosing from whatever 2-4 cars your dealer initially had available. How would that feel? At my age I’ve come to appreciate the saying, “Patience is a virtue”, as it pertains to wanting to be the first on the block with that new car.
I equate it to paying something on kickstarter before it goes retail. You a pay a premium to be the first. To some people that's worth the extra $$$.
 
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