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Here are some of the main specs for the 2020 Supra. If the rumors are to be believed the 400Z should have more power with its twin-turbo V6 than the Supra at the very least.
For the dimensions, hopefully there's a bit more cabin space in the 400Z because I hear it's very cramped in the Supra.

As far as specs go, how do you want the 400Z to stack up to the Supra?

Engine3.0 l I-6
Power335 hp @ 5,000 rpm (250 kW)
Torque365 lb·ft @ 1,600 – 4,500 rpm (495 N·m)
InductionTurbocharged
Fuel typePremium
Transmission8-speed automatic
DrivetrainRWD
Steeringrack and pinion, electric assistance
Turning diameter10 m (34′)
Front suspensionindependent, Macpherson strut
Rear suspensionindependent, multi-link
Front brakesDisc (ABS)
Rear brakesDisc (ABS)
Front tiresP255/35YR19
Rear tiresP275/35YR19
Length4,381 mm (172″)
Width1,854 mm (73″)
Height1,294 mm (51″)
Wheelbase2,470 mm (97″)
Front track1,595 mm (63″)
Rear track1,590 mm (63″)
Weight1,541 kg (3,397 lb)
 

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As long as it doesnt have fake vents and a manual transmission... 400Z will come out on top.

Besides toyota dragging the‘Supra’ name in mud by making a BMW parts bin car is beyond sad.
 

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As long as it doesnt have fake vents and a manual transmission... 400Z will come out on top.

Besides toyota dragging the‘Supra’ name in mud by making a BMW parts bin car is beyond sad.
Toyota could've run away with this class if they did everything for the Supra in house, or at the very least the powertrain. But they've left the door open for Nissan to take over with the 400Z
 

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Agreed and you can see that... 0% financing plus 3500 rebate plus 2k dealer cash available within a year of it being in the market. Its pure trash and they realize it. Unlike toyota to put such incentives so quickly
 

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The 400Z needs to be an 86-Supra inbetween model as Z's have done that before.

This time around it can have a greater impact.
 

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Z32 pretty much set the bar back in 1989 when she debuted and Toyota had to up its game and hence the MKIV Supra. Sadly Toyota never followed suit in the early 2000s to compete with the likes of the Z33 and the lackluster RX8.

Nissan moved the R35 way up the ladder to be a bargain super car killer. While i never expected a Supra to be back much less one built by BMW. They didnt follow suit to compete with R35 and just made an excuse of a car for cash grab purposes to show the world they love to have fun as well. However that seems to have back fired on them badly. Car isnt selling and Covid didnt do any favors to an already the worst received car in modern history.

Adding fuel to the fire.. they seem to have been forced an update / mandate by BMW to use the B58D motor and now the early adopters are pissed that the car they paid 5-10k over sticker is now obsolete and is selling for 10-12k under msrp at the moment. On the whole its a total disaster by Toyota.

Z35 has a perfect opportunity to corner the market given all the crappy decisions made by Toyota and I sincerely hope it sticks a dagger right through the heart of the Toyota sales.
 

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Z32 pretty much set the bar back in 1989 when she debuted and Toyota had to up its game and hence the MKIV Supra. Sadly Toyota never followed suit in the early 2000s to compete with the likes of the Z33 and the lackluster RX8.

Nissan moved the R35 way up the ladder to be a bargain super car killer. While i never expected a Supra to be back much less one built by BMW. They didnt follow suit to compete with R35 and just made an excuse of a car for cash grab purposes to show the world they love to have fun as well. However that seems to have back fired on them badly. Car isnt selling and Covid didnt do any favors to an already the worst received car in modern history.

Adding fuel to the fire.. they seem to have been forced an update / mandate by BMW to use the B58D motor and now the early adopters are pissed that the car they paid 5-10k over sticker is now obsolete and is selling for 10-12k under msrp at the moment. On the whole its a total disaster by Toyota.

Z35 has a perfect opportunity to corner the market given all the crappy decisions made by Toyota and I sincerely hope it sticks a dagger right through the heart of the Toyota sales.
You knew things were bad when BMW had to issue a recall for the Supra. Which is a sentence I never thought I'd see/type.
 

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You knew things were bad when BMW had to issue a recall for the Supra. Which is a sentence I never thought I'd see/type.
Its funny how BMW had to issue the recall when the joint colab between Subaru and Toyota they still recalled their own cars and not Subaru recalling the FRS’ or the 86s
 

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Its funny how BMW had to issue the recall when the joint colab between Subaru and Toyota they still recalled their own cars and not Subaru recalling the FRS’ or the 86s
Yeah, that shows you how involved Toyota actually was with this Supra.
 

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Savagegeese has a new review up on YouTube of the 2021 Supra - both variants. He feels that it really loses out not by having a manual option, but states that this is almost certainly coming next year, as part of Toyota's endeavor to keep sales numbers from falling over the car's life cycle by offering substantial additions and improvements every year - hence the enhanced engine for 2021.

He does knock the car for its novocained driving feel, which he attributes to it being a BMW Z car in all but name. Loves the reworked engine though.
 

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Yeah if they make a manual itll probably increase sales but they are hurting big time now.

3500 rebate, 2k dealer cash and 0% interest. Never have i ever seen Toyota get that aggressive with incentives in 7-8months into a life cycle of a model.

20yrs in the coming and miserable sales only tell you one thing... this money saving cash grab attempt at rebadging a damn BMW has shot them in the face.
 

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The way I think of the Supra is the way I think about the Audi TT. It's a nice, but forgettable car that doesn't stand out. I think there are a lot of different ways to hate on the supra. For me, it's toyota giving a non-Asian car company the responsibility of engineering their flagship performance car. It's objectively a fine car, but will never be on my list of cars to spend my money on. If toyota was smart they could have developed a modular RWD platform that could be shared with several Lexus models. Ultimately however, everyone ends up winning from a financial perspective in the current arrangement. Toyota has very little invested in this vehicle, so they don't need to sell many. BMW can ultimately sell a few more Z4s. It probably made a good amount of sense when the decisions were being made on both sides.
 

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Since the 2021 is said to have 382 HP. I saw a video where it made 388hp at the crank. Im hoping the Z will come with a minimum 415 bhp with a manual option 3.0 V6 Twin Turbo. Hopefully the can drop the weight to around 1450kg or thereabouts.

That would put it close to Cayman GT4 without the track setup which is good for a non Nismo GT.

Then the Nismo should drop further weight and maybe come with 450 -475hp

There was mention in the trademark of possible hybrid. That can add 30HP and start stop modes for emissions as well as extra torque.

That may drive price up to beyond £50,000..
 

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US pricing for the GR Supra 2.0 is now available. 2021 Toyota GR Supra pricing is here, four-cylinder is $8,000 less

$44k for 255 hp and 3200 lbs. I think the new Z is easily going to outsell this new Supra 2.0. My opinion is if you want a lighter, less-powerful Toyota sports car go for an 86, or wait for the new GR86 to be released. Or just get a new Z and forget the Toyotas
If the Z is anywhere near that price range it'll blow the Supra out of the water.
 

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The Supra apparently ends production in 2025 with a GRM version using an M3 engine at 500hp. I saw that on Autocar
 

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apparently the final GRMN version will be 500 hp m3 engine but thats in 2024 as they say it will be in production till 2025. 2021 supra is coming with 388 hp at wheel apparently which around 400hp as bmw underrate their power
 

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I was at a track day this weekend, Auto Club Speedway, saw 4-5 Supras running, they were fast on the straights, it sure looks like again the published 335 hp is underrated, typical BMW specs, maybe closer to the Z4's hp rating.
 
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