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Anyone considering the new BMW 4-Series?

382 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque from the six-cylinder-equipped M440i xDrive

The M440i xDrive starts at $59,495

No manual

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BMW has now revealed the M Performance Parts catalog for the new 4 Series.

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that rear tail light is eerily Mercedes/infiniti. Cars not that great looking tbh. Powerwise the new Z will be around there and kill it on the track im sure
 

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BMW cars looking more and more generic these days. Honestly I see BMW redesigning the front end for the next MY.

8 series looking bland, the new interiors are modular and every car has pretty much the same instrumentation, center stack, screen and shifter panel. Just the size of the dash differs. Sorta waters down the higher end models when the new 2 series looks and feels the same as a X7.
 

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Woof, no thank you. I was out in my 2011 M3 (e92) and stopped by a local BMW dealer to see what interesting vehicles were on the lot. Aside from the M2 (which is what I'd buy if I needed a new BMW right now), M5, and even the X3M, I am growing to really dislike the styling of BMW's lineup. The new 4 series is no exception. I've seen some pics of what appears to be some more base model versions and lines/blobs are terrible. It reminds me of the new 8 series, which I don't find to be all that great looking in any form---saw one yesterday at the dealer and it was a fairly base car. It just looked so cheap. And BMW's removal of a manual from their cars is a big disappointment. And that's not even getting into price. I get that time goes on and everything gets more expensive, but $60k for regular 3/4 series without all of the options?

I love my M3 for what it is, but it will be my first and last BMW. Nissan has a great opportunity to put something together that reinvigorates the brand. I walked the local Nissan dealer lot as well and frankly, they're not putting out anything terribly exciting or interesting either. Unlike BMW, Nissan has an opportunity to surprise everyone with something special (relatively speaking) for the Z. I'm more exciting for the Z at the current time than almost any other car that's close to coming to market. The exception is the Porsche Cayman GTS 4.0.

I can't see considering an upcoming 4 series and a Z. It's the Z only for me.
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't trade an E92 for this new 4-Series either. Go with a new Z or a Cayman or something. BMW has lost the plot while Nissan seems to be getting ready to launch the best Z yet
 

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Nissan are done playing. New Rogue/X Trail, Qashqai, Micra and Ariya within the next 12 months I think they are looking to spice up the lineup and offer a cheaper more realistic alternative to those badges.

They say the Ariya will have 300 mile range, a self driving feature, an array of safety features and 0-60 of 5 seconds and under for performance models. It will be similar in size to the Juke. The new Qashqai will be hybrid plug in.

Qashqai was 5th biggest seller in UK. 230,000 cars in EU apparently despite being a few years old.

Id say the Z will be treated as a special car compared to other updated models and no way will it be slower than a top trimmed Ariya.
 

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Nissan are done playing. New Rogue/X Trail, Qashqai, Micra and Ariya within the next 12 months I think they are looking to spice up the lineup and offer a cheaper more realistic alternative to those badges.

They say the Ariya will have 300 mile range, a self driving feature, an array of safety features and 0-60 of 5 seconds and under for performance models. It will be similar in size to the Juke. The new Qashqai will be hybrid plug in.

Qashqai was 5th biggest seller in UK. 230,000 cars in EU apparently despite being a few years old.

Id say the Z will be treated as a special car compared to other updated models and no way will it be slower than a top trimmed Ariya.
I'm really looking forward to the Ariya too. Could be a great family car while the Z is for me only
 
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