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With supply shortages in nearly every sector and industry , the recent demand for cars making it a sellers market, and the hype and interest for a new Z car after more than a decade , realistically how likely is it to be not only able to even find a 2023 Z in 2022 at all, but never mind in the trim/color/interior color you want?

Im not trying to be a pessimist, but also trying to moderate my expectations. I have a 2004 350z that to this day I love, getting it in 2007 when I was 24 years only was one of the best moments of my life, and even though it was used with 38k miles on it, it was the top of the line trim in the exact color I wanted. I was perfect in my eyes.

I never liked the 370z. To me it lacked the smooth lines of its predecessors and looked like a frog. But man this New Z.... its beautiful . Even my wife who always hated my 350z loves it for its retro 80s vibe. I honestly can't wait to get it. My dream would be performance trim in blue exterior and interior , but I'm starting to feel it will be 2 years or more before I even find one available for sale AND not marked up to something ridiculous like $60k. I've seen a 2021 Honda Civic SI going for $47k recently because of scarcity. A Honda civic.

Realistically, when do you think most of us who want a new Z will be able to get the one we want?
 

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With supply shortages in nearly every sector and industry , the recent demand for cars making it a sellers market, and the hype and interest for a new Z car after more than a decade , realistically how likely is it to be not only able to even find a 2023 Z in 2022 at all, but never mind in the trim/color/interior color you want?

Im not trying to be a pessimist, but also trying to moderate my expectations. I have a 2004 350z that to this day I love, getting it in 2007 when I was 24 years only was one of the best moments of my life, and even though it was used with 38k miles on it, it was the top of the line trim in the exact color I wanted. I was perfect in my eyes.

I never liked the 370z. To me it lacked the smooth lines of its predecessors and looked like a frog. But man this New Z.... its beautiful . Even my wife who always hated my 350z loves it for its retro 80s vibe. I honestly can't wait to get it. My dream would be performance trim in blue exterior and interior , but I'm starting to feel it will be 2 years or more before I even find one available for sale AND not marked up to something ridiculous like $60k. I've seen a 2021 Honda Civic SI going for $47k recently because of scarcity. A Honda civic.

Realistically, when do you think most of us who want a new Z will be able to get the one we want?
Welcome to the forum @Evenflow80! I think with all the hype and buzz around the car it's going to be tricky. Especially when dealing with markup. As for getting the exact car we want, that's kind of up in the air since Nissan isn't clear yet on how the ordering process is going to go. There's been rumors that there won't be any pre-orders for the Z which continues to make things unclear.

Is your 350Z stock or have you modified it?

 

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Just to be clear, for those of us in the USA, pre-order does very little to help most of us out.
"Pre-order" does not guarantee a price.
With the current situation, "pre-order" means that a dealer will call you and say "hey your car is on the way, ready to come do the paperwork on it?" great, then when you get there, $20K ADM (I'm not kidding, you watch....) they will do that to you for 3 reasons:
1. They are allowed to, "pre-order" is not a price-locked contract anywhere in the USA.
2. While it'd be nice if you accepted the ADM, they could care less if you walk away.
3. Once the car ends up in the dealer for sale, they will get their $20K ADM, no matter how long it takes (won't take long) and they will have at least one Z to show.

To answer OP:
-Production is going to be tight. Even if Nissan can build a decent number of Zs, cars put up for sale in 2022 won't only face demand from those who specifically want that vehicle (Z enthusiasts or others who specifically want the new Z), it will also face demand from other frustrated shoppers just trying to find something, anything, new to buy. So, if for some crazy reason Nissan built 20K 2023 Zs for US market, they'd all be snatched up immediately.

-Beware of dealer groups. This is when several Nissan dealers in your area are all owned by the same company. If you can't get a deal you are comfortable with, going to the next dealer across town may not help if both dealers are owned by the same company. The computer system will have you and the offered deal in it, and due to corporate policy, they won't offer a better deal. Call it "price fixing".

-you need to have an honest look at where the pandemic is heading. The only way things get back to anywhere near "normal" is if EVERY Nation in this world just decides to accept the risk and get back to "normal". That's not going to happen. The COVID is constantly out-maneuvering every effort to contain it. Sorry to bring this up, but look at it objectively, it ain't going anywhere anytime soon, and every nation will respond differently to it which will continue to impact the global supply chain.
I think it'd be best if most people plan on another full 2 years of significant issues.

Honestly, I am worried the issues will continue long enough for the new Z to run into regulatory issues, and not enough could have been built before regulations kill the model line.

BTW, I truly hope I am wrong and I have to eat my words. I am so ready to travel to ANY of the 48 US states to buy a Z at MSRP if I have to.
 

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Welcome to the forum @Evenflow80! I think with all the hype and buzz around the car it's going to be tricky. Especially when dealing with markup. As for getting the exact car we want, that's kind of up in the air since Nissan isn't clear yet on how the ordering process is going to go. There's been rumors that there won't be any pre-orders for the Z which continues to make things unclear.

Is your 350Z stock or have you modified it?

Its pretty much stock. Unfortunately a year ago I rear ended someone (his car barely had a scratch) but my car was damaged all way to radiator . I honestly didn't think it was too bad but insurance said it was a total loss because it would cost more than the $6500 it appraised for. So they offered me the value of the car and I had to declare it as "salvage" even though I ended up fixing even better than it was before. I got K&N cool air induction and a much better radiator than OEM but other than that all stock. I doubt I can even sell it despite how good it looks and drives. Oh well.
 

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Just to be clear, for those of us in the USA, pre-order does very little to help most of us out.
"Pre-order" does not guarantee a price.
With the current situation, "pre-order" means that a dealer will call you and say "hey your car is on the way, ready to come do the paperwork on it?" great, then when you get there, $20K ADM (I'm not kidding, you watch....) they will do that to you for 3 reasons:
1. They are allowed to, "pre-order" is not a price-locked contract anywhere in the USA.
2. While it'd be nice if you accepted the ADM, they could care less if you walk away.
3. Once the car ends up in the dealer for sale, they will get their $20K ADM, no matter how long it takes (won't take long) and they will have at least one Z to show.

To answer OP:
-Production is going to be tight. Even if Nissan can build a decent number of Zs, cars put up for sale in 2022 won't only face demand from those who specifically want that vehicle (Z enthusiasts or others who specifically want the new Z), it will also face demand from other frustrated shoppers just trying to find something, anything, new to buy. So, if for some crazy reason Nissan built 20K 2023 Zs for US market, they'd all be snatched up immediately.

-Beware of dealer groups. This is when several Nissan dealers in your area are all owned by the same company. If you can't get a deal you are comfortable with, going to the next dealer across town may not help if both dealers are owned by the same company. The computer system will have you and the offered deal in it, and due to corporate policy, they won't offer a better deal. Call it "price fixing".

-you need to have an honest look at where the pandemic is heading. The only way things get back to anywhere near "normal" is if EVERY Nation in this world just decides to accept the risk and get back to "normal". That's not going to happen. The COVID is constantly out-maneuvering every effort to contain it. Sorry to bring this up, but look at it objectively, it ain't going anywhere anytime soon, and every nation will respond differently to it which will continue to impact the global supply chain.
I think it'd be best if most people plan on another full 2 years of significant issues.

Honestly, I am worried the issues will continue long enough for the new Z to run into regulatory issues, and not enough could have been built before regulations kill the model line.

BTW, I truly hope I am wrong and I have to eat my words. I am so ready to travel to ANY of the 48 US states to buy a Z at MSRP if I have to.
What regulatory issues ? I live in CA and supposedly by 2030 all cars will need to be electric or something like that
 

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Man it would have been so much easier if we had one standard trim. But even then we would need to worry about paint and interior color. I dont mind blue or black interior but red seems to require a very specific paint color to not clash. And of course transmission, I wouldn't even take a Z for free if it was automatic (ok I would but only to trade it in for a manual Z 🙃)
 

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What regulatory issues ? I live in CA and supposedly by 2030 all cars will need to be electric or something like that
They may push those EV mandates back a bit. The EV mandates are a bit too aggressive.

However, any upcoming emission and/or safety goals could put the Z out. I'm not aware of any yet, but lately, around the world, many car models have died this way recently.
 

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Where the hell are all you people living where you are seeing such huge ADMs? My mom just bought a brand new 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz for msrp (plus the normal dealers fees) not a cent towards any ADM. And the 2 dealers we worked with were selling them before they even landed at the lot. And I know of atleast one person here in Utah that bought a Supra for Msrp aswell. It obviously depends on what state you live in but here in Utah the few markups I have seen on stickers have only been on SUVs (Telluride and Palisade to be specific) and that is pretty much it. Sports cars just don't sell much here. The dealer I am working with Sold more GTRs per month than they did 370s.
 

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Where the hell are all you people living where you are seeing such huge ADMs? My mom just bought a brand new 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz for msrp (plus the normal dealers fees) not a cent towards any ADM. And the 2 dealers we worked with were selling them before they even landed at the lot. And I know of atleast one person here in Utah that bought a Supra for Msrp aswell. It obviously depends on what state you live in but here in Utah the few markups I have seen on stickers have only been on SUVs (Telluride and Palisade to be specific) and that is pretty much it. Sports cars just don't sell much here. The dealer I am working with Sold more GTRs per month than they did 370s.
The "Left Coast".
Now I know where to look....Utah.....for my new Z
 

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Just to be clear, there will be no "pre-orders".
I didn't even know such a thing existed for cars. I always wondered what the point was of these "car builder" tools on automaker websites. Like I'd build my perfect car and the end it gave me a Google search result for nearest dealers. Just generic results .

Has it been confirmed there are no pre orders ? I was on the Q&A thread with Nissan exec and he said he has no info regarding that and it will be announced soon?
 

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I didn't even know such a thing existed for cars. I always wondered what the point was of these "car builder" tools on automaker websites. Like I'd build my perfect car and the end it gave me a Google search result for nearest dealers. Just generic results .

Has it been confirmed there are no pre orders ? I was on the Q&A thread with Nissan exec and he said he has no info regarding that and it will be announced soon?
The car builder tools on the manufacturer's site are used to find available inventory at stores which matches your configuration. If none are available, the results are what is in stock at your closest stores.

Only the dealer has access to the back end channel to the manufacturer. This is used to fulfill allocations, report sold cars (RDR or Retail Delivery Report), and other things.

Dan Passe, who is head of Nissan USA Media Relations (I think I got that right) confirmed a few weeks ago there will be no pre-orders.
 

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I figured not until mid 2023 would I have shot of new Z at MSRP... its why I put in order last week for 2022 BMW G42 coupe.. the new 2 series. I cannot wait for almost 2 years for a new Z... unfortunately I am too inpatient
 

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Where the hell are all you people living where you are seeing such huge ADMs? My mom just bought a brand new 2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz for msrp (plus the normal dealers fees) not a cent towards any ADM. And the 2 dealers we worked with were selling them before they even landed at the lot. And I know of atleast one person here in Utah that bought a Supra for Msrp aswell. It obviously depends on what state you live in but here in Utah the few markups I have seen on stickers have only been on SUVs (Telluride and Palisade to be specific) and that is pretty much it. Sports cars just don't sell much here. The dealer I am working with Sold more GTRs per month than they did 370s.
Welcome to the forum @Oreic-Reynier

Great to see your mom didn't pay over MSRP but it looks like some people on the Santa Cruz forum here: Hyundai Special Offers

Reached out to your local dealer(s) about the new Z yet?
 

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Welcome to the forum @Oreic-Reynier

Great to see your mom didn't pay over MSRP but it looks like some people on the Santa Cruz forum here: Hyundai Special Offers

Reached out to your local dealer(s) about the new Z yet?

Why thank you for having me.

Yes, I have been working with 2. I am first on their "buyers" lists. But I am heavily leaning towards one of the dealers. They have a Nissan Branch close to my house. I walked around their lots and looked at pretty much every sticker and saw little to no added costs besides the occasional option. And as an added bonus I found a discussion on some Bronco forum about people paying ADMs on the new Bronco here in Utah and found a good bunch of people who bought theirs at Msrp through the Ford Branches of my preferred Nissan Dealer.
 

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Sorry; G42 is internal name for next Generation BMW 2 series. Started to be built Sept 1. BMW took rare bold step to add a modern twist with more angles & bulges that some like and others do not… oh well
 

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Sorry; G42 is internal name for next Generation BMW 2 series. Started to be built Sept 1. BMW took rare bold step to add a modern twist with more angles & bulges that some like and others do not… oh well
The 2 doesn't have beaver teeth grill, right?
 

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Does not, somewhat normal BMW kidney Grille. Nothing like the fugly grill on the 4 series which kept me away from that model
 
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