[St00k]

Great find!

 

[St00k]

Glad even the base models have digital gauges!

 

[kbl911]

Exactly, the base models are doing some things right. Now, perhaps Nissan will address the massive elephant in the room and give all of these 400 horsepower RWD sports cars a bloody LSD. Hell, the 370 is dangerous without it.

 

[stevenopoly]

honestly, it doesn't look smaller to me.

 

[zenki]

Exactly, the base models are doing some things right. Now, perhaps Nissan will address the massive elephant in the room and give all of these 400 horsepower RWD sports cars a bloody LSD. Hell, the 370 is dangerous without it.

There's a good chance that MY2024 will get LSD but that depends on improvements to higher spec models.

 

[jezzza]

Glad even the base models have digital gauges!

it wound‘t make much sense them installing more expensive analog gauges in a cheeper model.

 

[MCN1SMO]

Fabric seats too so definitely sport model

 

[Alanz196]

I wouldn’t mind having fabric seats in a performance model. I was never a fan of leather in my Z’s. Shout out to whoever snapped these photographs. Smaller screen still looks nice.

 

[MCN1SMO]

I had fabric seats in my 350z nismo and it was fine same for my Sentra nismo so I'm not married to having to have full leather. The best of both worlds to me is always the leather seats with the micro fiber inserts which seems will be the case for the performance model.

 

[DrSeckzytime]

Starting to get more and more pics and vids show up, which is a great thing. Hopefully that means we're closer to seeing some first drive vids. Even better would be Nissan just creating a bigger pile of Z's to be ready at launch.

I assumed the difference between the 8" and 9" screens would be minimal. They're probably 8.3" and 9.1" anyways. That's not the shady part.

The shadiest part of the trims is the LSD. It should've been on the Sport, standard. Too much power for an open diff like that on a RWD car.

Anyways, hopefully this is a good sign for a spring launch. Many makers always release sports cars right in the time for winter to roll in.

 

[Alanz196]

I’m sure Dan passe relayed that info to the higher ups about the sport not having the LSD. Dan passe has been MIA lately from here though.

Im still hopeful for spring launch.

 

[kbl911]

The shadiest part of the trims is the LSD. It should've been on the Sport, standard. Too much power for an open diff like that on a RWD car.

Exactly, this is a potentially very dangerous set up. It's baffling to me that, in an era where rear view cameras are mandated on vehicles, something this obviously perilous would even be permitted. Not that I'm clamoring for more regulation, mind you.

 

[MCN1SMO]

this is my only criticism of the entire pre launch of the car. all trims of a 2023 sports car with 400hp need a LSD even if you bump the MSRP 1K or something to compensate... worth it in the long run.

seems that bed has already been made this year....next years Z I hope has it but then that will leave sport owners from this year feeling like the first year Supra owners when that car got a 32hp bump next year. I know you got to expect some changes year to year but if I was a supra owner that would have really made me mad. So if you are a early adopter sport trim owner who knows what to expect

but bottom line. should have had the LSD. no issues at all with the smaller brakes wheels infotainment ect on the base model as that is all part of the trim strategy. I would argue the LSD is a integral part of a RWD sports car at that power level

 

[NewZTom]

Glad even the base models have digital gauges!

Digital gauges are gimmicky, cheaper and inferior. They aren't bright enough and don't have enough contrast. When the sun shines in over your shoulder and hits directly on the display, the display washes out and becomes practically invisible. It's the same thing that happens with the LCD displays on cameras outdoors in the sunlight, and this is the major reason that camera manufacturers started putting digital viewfinders on digital cameras more than ten years ago. I don't know much about LCD technology, but if this were something easily fixed, it would have been on cameras long before now, and they still have the problem.

 

[NewZTom]

All of the comments about the lack of LSD are overlooking the obvious. Nissan wanted a lower-cost version for an obvious reason. How do you make a lower cost version? People here are arguing in essence that the lower-cost version shouldn't have omitted the thing that made the lower-cost version cost less. I'm having trouble making sense of that. It might have made sense to offer a non-turbo version without LSD that would be even more affordable. Nissan must have considered that, and I have no idea why they didn't go that route. I suppose it's possible that they would do this at a future date. It would be pure speculation, though. As it is, if they had left the LSD in the lower-cost version and had kept all the other differences, i.e., the cloth seat and whatever else is different, the difference in cost between the low-cost version and the performance model would likely have been so slight that it wouldn't have made much sense to offer the lower-cost version. Maybe they'll offer the LSD as a standalone option or part of a package for the low-cost version, but here again this may cost so much that it will make more sense to buy the Performance version.

 

[NewZTom]

Cloth seats that high in quality are not less desirable than leather seats in my opinion. I've had a lot of cars with leather seats, but this is mainly because the cloth option for the cars I've bought with leather seats was just cheap. The irony is that people don't want vinyl which doesn't cost much but want leather which costs a lot and there isn't really a lot of difference. Except for suede and for leather that isn't shiny and has lots of natural imperfections, all other leather, the leather that looks like it might be vinyl, is coated with plastic. It isn't any more breathable than vinyl unless it is perforated, and you can perforate vinyl just as easily as painted leather. Several years back Lexus started shipping cars with "pleather" seats, which is made by mixing leather fibers in with liquid plastic. They did this quietly and didn't tell the dealerships, and the salespeople were telling customers that it was leather. The customers couldn't tell the difference. Those same cars had digital gauges, automatic transmissions and lousy Harman Kardon audio systems.

There is just one feature of the interior of the new Z that I really, really detest: the steering wheel. Steering wheels should be round in cross-section. The cross-section shouldn't have regions that are flat and regions where the curvature is abrupt. I've driven any number of cars that had funky steering wheels where the cross-section isn't round, and each and every one of them was enormously less comfortable than a simple round-in-cross-section steering wheel. The manufacturers who do this, including Nissan, do it because it impresses prospective buyers when they sit behind the wheel of the car in a showroom. Like digital gauges. Before I buy the new Z, and I almost certainly will, I am going to need to have a plan for what to do about that dysfunctional steering wheel.

 

[kbl911]

All of the comments about the lack of LSD are overlooking the obvious. Nissan wanted a lower-cost version for an obvious reason. How do you make a lower cost version? People here are arguing in essence that the lower-cost version shouldn't have omitted the thing that made the lower-cost version cost less. I'm having trouble making sense of that. It might have made sense to offer a non-turbo version without LSD that would be even more affordable. Nissan must have considered that, and I have no idea why they didn't go that route. I suppose it's possible that they would do this at a future date. It would be pure speculation, though. As it is, if they had left the LSD in the lower-cost version and had kept all the other differences, i.e., the cloth seat and whatever else is different, the difference in cost between the low-cost version and the performance model would likely have been so slight that it wouldn't have made much sense to offer the lower-cost version. Maybe they'll offer the LSD as a standalone option or part of a package for the low-cost version, but here again this may cost so much that it will make more sense to buy the Performance version.

The limited slip differential is not the primary cost-saver, here. Have you looked at the spec sheet that Nissan released? There are many differences between the Sport and Performance trims. In fact, that has been a fundamental complaint of mine - that there is too much space between them and nothing to fill the void.

So, no, I would disagree that people are overlooking anything "obvious" with respect to the LSD. The core of the complaint is that this car is too powerful to be offered without one and, if you take a peek at some of the individual posts, it seems many are willing to pay for the cost of the LSD to be included with the Sport trim.

 

[ZedSled]

Let’s say the sport trim. And performance. Are only 5k diff. I’m getting the sport trim. I can get a built diff from Z1. For less than half that. And upgraded brakes. The Akebono brakes. Are laughable with how cheap they are. Not cheaply made. But they are cheap to buy.
So as a consumer. Nissan has to realize that the price has to be pretty decent. In order to offer 2 trims. Why wouldn’t I go for a higher trim. If say the price is 2500 more.
these cars are targeted to a certain demographic anyone. I am hoping the price is going to be substantial. Just like the RS. And regular 3.0. I saved over 10K opting for a non RS. And I put everything the RS had. On my Q60. Plus a tune. And still had a chunk of change left over.

 

[kbl911]

Let’s say the sport trim. And performance. Are only 5k diff. I’m getting the sport trim.

I'm willing to bet that the difference in price will be much greater than that, sadly. Just looking at all the content that the Performance trim has compared to the Sport (brakes, wheels, exhaust, LSD, leather, upgraded infotainment, aero, etc), I would suspect that it will be closer to a $7,000+ price gap. I'd happily be wrong, though.