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I have been reading some articles that have suggested the new Integra will only be a sedan, not a coupe.

I don't mind if there's a sedan AND a coupe but if they only create a sedan that's a huge swing and miss.

With how positively the Z has been received for sticking to its roots and delivering a pure sports car, would Acura actually screw this up by not offering a coupe? They can't be that tone deaf right?


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I’m almost positive there will be a coupe based off last gen civic coupe. If they do in fact only make a sedan.. yea it’s an epic fail!
Among the Japanese car makers I have to think the people in charge of Honda and Acura are smart enough to have seen what's happened with the likes of the Supra and Z and know what the right path is to make a car that will get everyone excited.
 

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So the Integra is going to be a 5-door car. Acura just made it official. I'm not sure how Acura/Honda fans are going to respond to this.


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Well, Acura did screw up the TLX Type-S. At least where performance is concerned.

And I doubt Acura would allow the Integra to outperform the TLX Type-S.

I'm sure it'll be a nice FWD car, but does anyone care at that point?

As an aside, if Acura drops the 3.0T V6 with AWD into the Integra, I'd be impressed.
 

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Well, Acura did screw up the TLX Type-S. At least where performance is concerned.

And I doubt Acura would allow the Integra to outperform the TLX Type-S.

I'm sure it'll be a nice FWD car, but does anyone care at that point?

As an aside, if Acura drops the 3.0T V6 with AWD into the Integra, I'd be impressed.
Yeah, the answer would appear to be a resounding "yes," at least from my perspective. This is a liftback ILX, at least in format. It's cowardly to release this as a sedan as opposed to a coupe, but that's not particularly surprising. Welcome to the end times.

The New Acura Integra Will Be A Five Door Liftback (jalopnik.com)
At this point it seems like Acura is more focused on replacing the ILX than focusing on something performance oriented.
 

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I think it's possible that the TLX was nerfed because Acura was stuck with corporate parts that are geared more for minivans and crossovers.
Yes, they developed a new engine, but it's not particularly strong. It seems the 10AT and/or the AWD system might possibly not be up to the task of handling the power needed to make such a heavy vehicle class competitive (it's no quicker than a 2009 G37 which is also a porker).
Many reviewers feel that the engine is being held back. Probably because the 10AT and AWD system really comes from the corporate pile used in vehicles with more mundane missions.

I predict the same for the Integra. Some parts of it might be cool, but it's built on a Civic platform, which worked in the 80's when a FWD Legend could hang with RWD BMWs of the day.

It's not enough in the 21st century. The Integra will pull parts from the corporate parts bin and basically be a smaller variation of the Accord. That'd be fine if sedans sold better.
I could be wrong, heck an AWD 300+HP 2.0T Integra would shut me up. But if it's a cross between an Accord and CTR fwd sedan, I'm unimpressed.
It may sully the good name of the Integra
 

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With how positively the Z has been received for sticking to its roots and delivering a pure sports car, would Acura actually screw this up by not offering a coupe?
Positive reception won't necessarily translate to actual sales. Same reason it took so long to get an RS6 here, which is basically on a trial run. Everyone loves the powerful wagon and begs Audi to bring it, but the past told them few people actually buy them.

What people really want is boring SUVs and crossovers. Marketing is pretty much the only reason cars like the Z exist.
 

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What people really want is boring SUVs and crossovers. Marketing is pretty much the only reason cars like the Z exist.
That's rather tragically true.

However, by that same logic, why wouldn't Acura use the 2-door liftback Integra for the same end? If they want to persuade the public that they are a performance brand again (they clearly do), this could serve nearly an identical marketing purpose as the Z. Then offer a rubbish 4-door liftback for the rest who seem to want that option.
 

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That's rather tragically true.

However, by that same logic, why wouldn't Acura use the 2-door liftback Integra for the same end? If they want to persuade the public that they are a performance brand again
Because it's going to be a half-hearted parts bin reboot.

Although the previous Integras we're also platform sharing, they were much different from their Civic cousin than I'd think the new Integra will be

They didn't share same overall chassis silhouette, and they had completely different engines.
Pretty sure the new Integra will be a massaged 5 door Civic.

Maybe Acura will make the DCT available with the CTR 2.0T?
 

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What people really want is boring SUVs and crossovers. Marketing is pretty much the only reason cars like the Z exist.
Attrition is why the Z can exist.
Sitting in a 2 door 2 seater is a special experience, and there's not much competition for that, and a CUV or SUV isn't going to distract the relatively small pool of buyers who are hell bent on having an impractical sporty coupe.

These sedans though.... especially in rehashed form with ICE drivetrains won't pull in many buyers because the lure of EV or CUV/SUV is strong.

I loved my Acura Vigor, Legend and Integras I had over the years, but if I'm going to aspire to relive my 90's car memories, I'm getting the Z
 

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With the Integra being revealed tomorrow how confident are we feeling that the Integra will be a good car. I'm kind of 50/50 about it being a fun sporty sedan versus a copy of the Civic with an Acura badge.

 

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I have been reading some articles that have suggested the new Integra will only be a sedan, not a coupe.

I don't mind if there's a sedan AND a coupe but if they only create a sedan that's a huge swing and miss.

With how positively the Z has been received for sticking to its roots and delivering a pure sports car, would Acura actually screw this up by not offering a coupe? They can't be that tone deaf right?


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They already screwed it up by making it sedan-only as you posited. What made the Integra great was that it had an engine that WASN’T in the Civic on which it was partially based. Original Integras had the sweetest engines which weren’t available in a Civic until much later on in the Civic Si that had 160hp in mid/late 90’s. Now, the Integra is sedan-only and shares its base engine (1.5T) with mundane Civics. The Type-S will likely get the RDX engine to be a little more powerful than a WRX, which is ok, but that should’ve been the base engine to distinguish the Integra from the Civic. As is, the Integra appears to be simply a replacement for the ILX with an eventual upmarket S for more performance. Now that Acura has hamstrung the Integra, it’s very predictable what happens next. After a 280hp (or so) Type-S will come the ITR with a 315hp (or so) completely derived from the CTR. While this was all done as Acura believed the added cost of a coupe didn’t justify the incremental sales, it means that the Integra is not and never will be what it once was. Acura can redeem itself - partially - by offering a stick in the S and R models to come and make sure the hp of the R can spank a CTR with, say 340+ hp or so. Either way, both of the premium performance Integras will have to contend with the WRX (ugly as it is), a not-yet-announced future STi (it can happen), the ever-present Golf GTI and R, the upcoming GR Corolla (which is retro exciting in the same vein as the Integra) and yes, even the Z at the margin.
 
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