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Both cars...

 

[Mattyice]

Both cars...

I agree!!! They said that the new car is supposedly more powerful than the last model. However, they could mean torque? If that's the case, then the 300hp and Nismo 400hp might be it. Either that or all of them are 400hp and an additional 15hp for the Nismo because of better exhaust and intake? I highly doubt they'll install the GTR's brake system on the Nismo.

 

[ZedSled]

I agree!!! They said that the new car is supposedly more powerful than the last model. However, they could mean torque? If that's the case, then the 300hp and Nismo 400hp might be it. Either that or all of them are 400hp and an additional 15hp for the Nismo because of better exhaust and intake? I highly doubt they'll install the GTR's brake system on the Nismo.

If I was a betting man I’d say Nissan will only do the 400hp version in non nismo. Couple reasons. 1) it will be more powerful than the Supra 3.0 and 2.0 by a long shot. 2) when Supra ups the power in up coming years. Nissan will release the Nismo with upgraded turbos. And still be ahead of the Supra. Nissan is player chess not checkers on this one.

 

[MCN1SMO]

I would be stunned if they announce a entry level 300hp car Tuesday. I just dont see it for the reasons stated above. the base car would seem like a step backwards.

but that also means I will be equally stunned if the starting price of the 400hp car is what that alleged leak says it is

 

[Mattyice]

If I was a betting man I’d say Nissan will only do the 400hp version in non nismo. Couple reasons. 1) it will be more powerful than the Supra 3.0 and 2.0 by a long shot. 2) when Supra ups the power in up coming years. Nissan will release the Nismo with upgraded turbos. And still be ahead of the Supra. Nissan is player chess not checkers on this one.

I just have a hunch because of what happened with the Q50 and Q60 going from VQ37 to VR30. They went down and then offered the top tier a 400hp version. Just looking at it from a financial point of view.

 

[ZedSled]

I just have a hunch because of what happened with the Q50 and Q60 going from VQ37 to VR30. They went down and then offered the top tier a 400hp version. Just looking at it from a financial point of view.

I see where you are coming from there. But think of it from their stand point. Out going model 3.7L NA 350HP 276TQ (Nismo numbers). Now they are releasing a new car. .7 liters less displacement. And less HP at 300HP? AND the price would be more than the out going model? They would be the laughing stock of the car manufacturing World. Buttt…. New model coming in. Has less displacement. But more power. 1. Has more power than the competition I.E Supra. 2. Cost less than the competition.
they will come out smelling like roses.
I fully believe this car will start less than 40K. That’s a 10K price increase from base 370Z. And what are we getting?… a re skinned 370Z with twin turbos. And new infotainment.

 

[St00k]

Both cars...

Also agree.

A base model makes sense. It would allow Nissan to sell a lot more of them making it smarter financially. It also helps build a bigger base of followers and customers. Plus it gives a stepping stone.

 

[Zs on Zs]

There can be a base model without detuning the engine though. It will just be stripped down.

 

[kbl911]

Both cars...

Disagree.

I don't see the business case for this. I mentioned a while back that, if Nissan did this, they would be doing it exclusively to artificially price-stratify the lineup since it's the same engine (minor differences aside) in a different state of tune. I think that would be a poorly-received move. As many have noted, we aren't getting a $30K Z. We just aren't (or the odds are astronomically low). So I don't buy the argument that this offering would open things up to new buyers further downmarket. It would look pretty cynical for Nissan to show that they can offer a Z for, say, $35K with the 99% of the same hardware as one that they choose to offer for, say, $40K. Or if they strip away virtually everything else in addition to the lower-spec engine tune, what will we be left with in that "base" model? Think of how de-contented it would have to be in order to make this not look like a cash-grab.

If anything, placing the 300HP tune in any model in the lineup will only serve the purpose of asking potential buyers to pony up more cash for a less powerful Z than the current Z34 that's been in service since dinosaurs roamed the earth. This seems like a backwards step.

 

[St00k]

Disagree.

I don't see the business case for this. I mentioned a while back that, if Nissan did this, they would be doing it exclusively to artificially price-stratify the lineup since it's the same engine (minor differences aside) in a different state of tune. I think that would be a poorly-received move. As many have noted, we aren't getting a $30K Z. We just aren't (or the odds are astronomically low). So I don't buy the argument that this offering would open things up to new buyers further downmarket. It would look pretty cynical for Nissan to show that they can offer a Z for, say, $35K with the 99% of the same hardware as one that they choose to offer for, say, $40K. Or if they strip away virtually everything else in addition to the lower-spec engine tune, what will we be left with in that "base" model? Think of how de-contented it would have to be in order to make this not look like a cash-grab.

If anything, placing the 300HP tune in any model in the lineup will only serve the purpose of asking potential buyers to pony up more cash for a less powerful Z than the current Z34 that's been in service since dinosaurs roamed the earth. This seems like a backwards step.

Maybe they could decontent it more. Like analog gauges for instance. Or maybe a different engine... like some sort of 4-cyl... but that would take some engineering and too much added cost...

 

[kbl911]

Maybe they could decontent it more. Like analog gauges for instance. Or maybe a different engine... like some sort of 4-cyl... but that would take some engineering and too much added cost...

Yeah, exactly right. The more significantly Nissan changes the models in the lineup, the more manufacturing complexity they'll introduce. Kind of defeats the intent

 

[Mattyice]

Maybe they could decontent it more. Like analog gauges for instance. Or maybe a different engine... like some sort of 4-cyl... but that would take some engineering and too much added cost...

What about a model with the trashy 2.0vct engine that comes with a CVT? I can't emphasize on how bad the CVT is. It just won't grab on the initial takeoff.

I highly doubt Nissan will waste money to engineer something that trashy and not have it sell.

 

[Mattyice]

If they were to come out with the 400hp version as a base, I'll gamble at the nismo having 425hp. There wasn't a huge difference in the z34 nismo. All they did was an exhaust upgrade with a better suspension. Nissan could give it an exhaust upgrade with a much larger heat exchanger and probably the gtr brake setup?

Truth be told, I'm still drooling over that 6+4 brake setup with a large disc they have on the proto.

 

[neeyee8]

The Supra 2021 with 382hp already makes close to 400hp on the dyno (crank). There is no need for a base 300hp version

 

[MCN1SMO]

If they were to come out with the 400hp version as a base, I'll gamble at the nismo having 425hp. There wasn't a huge difference in the z34 nismo. All they did was an exhaust upgrade with a better suspension. Nissan could give it an exhaust upgrade with a much larger heat exchanger and probably the gtr brake setup?

Truth be told, I'm still drooling over that 6+4 brake setup with a large disc they have on the proto.

and on top of that the original 350z NISMO didnt even have a power increase over the standard car. even with the GTR its currently only a 35hp difference. so NISMO is usually more about aero suspension and chassis that huge power gains.

 

[Rusty]

I think a base makes sense if they're planning high production numbers but if they're going to keep it in moderate numbers then I'd hope a higher horsepower option is base.