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Will be interesting when this same motor will be in a 400+ lb lighter Z, has promise.

I like how the older Q50, with the generally hated 7AT and 0.3L less displacement consistently walked the newer, larger engine better transmission car. Everybody seems to hate on the Q, except for the engine.

A bit concerned for the Z, that's a lot of power for a small RWD car, the Qs have an advantage with AWD being available. RWD Qs can have traction issues in the first 2 gears, slightly modded and they have traction issues in 3 gears, in good conditions.
I can see the new Z having poor 0-60, but high trap speed in the 1/4, probably 117mph or better.
 

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I like how the older Q50, with the generally hated 7AT and 0.3L less displacement consistently walked the newer, larger engine better transmission car. Everybody seems to hate on the Q, except for the engine.

A bit concerned for the Z, that's a lot of power for a small RWD car, the Qs have an advantage with AWD being available. RWD Qs can have traction issues in the first 2 gears, slightly modded and they have traction issues in 3 gears, in good conditions.
I can see the new Z having poor 0-60, but high trap speed in the 1/4, probably 117mph or better.
This is priority for Nissan to properly set up the susp tuning, brakes, plus tire selection to handle this excellent power.

I suppose we will still get the electronic steering, that has to be done right for feel, to control this Z also.

I’m really looking forward to wring out this baby on track.
 

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This is priority for Nissan to properly set up the susp tuning, brakes, plus tire selection to handle this excellent power.

I suppose we will still get the electronic steering, that has to be done right for feel, to control this Z also.

I’m really looking forward to wring out this baby on track.
We'll see, but after seeing the pics of the chassis underside, it looks to be carryover from the Z34. I'm not sure different bushings, springs and shocks can help the Z35 hook up better with all the new power.

Cars like RWD BMWs and Cadillac CTS-V really hook up good off the line. It's because the chassis and suspension geometry are well designed. I've seen plenty of boosted Z's being a total mess with traction issues.

Hopefully I'm wrong! I'll be happy to eat my words!
 

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RWD Qs can have traction issues in the first 2 gears, slightly modded and they have traction issues in 3 gears, in good conditions.
I can see the new Z having poor 0-60, but high trap speed in the 1/4, probably 117mph or better.
Very much possible that traction issues will rear their ugly head, but it will also be dependent upon tthe combination of tires and suspension tuning in the new Z. I would hope that the Nissan engineers wouldn't slap an engine this powerful into a much lighter package without calibrating the car such that it could be launched without so much slippage as to make the power totally unusable off the line.

I just look at the new Supra (which apparently launches like a champion) and it gives me hope that there are definitely ways to accomplish this in a small sports car.
 

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This is priority for Nissan to properly set up the susp tuning, brakes, plus tire selection to handle this excellent power.

I suppose we will still get the electronic steering, that has to be done right for feel, to control this Z also.

I’m really looking forward to wring out this baby on track.

(from September 18, 2020)

No adaptive steering for Nissan 400Z

No adaptive steering for Nissan 400Z - motoring.com.au

"...Global product boss says new Nissan Z-car's drive experience will be 'authentic and pure'
Nissan’s global product planning boss has reassured Z fans that the next-generation Z-car will deliver a “pure” driving experience.
And he’s provided a very clear indication that unloved technology such as Nissan/Infiniti’s fly-by-wire Direct Adaptive Steering (DAS) won’t be recycled in the new Z."
 

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(from September 18, 2020)

No adaptive steering for Nissan 400Z

No adaptive steering for Nissan 400Z - motoring.com.au

"...Global product boss says new Nissan Z-car's drive experience will be 'authentic and pure'
Nissan’s global product planning boss has reassured Z fans that the next-generation Z-car will deliver a “pure” driving experience.
And he’s provided a very clear indication that unloved technology such as Nissan/Infiniti’s fly-by-wire Direct Adaptive Steering (DAS) won’t be recycled in the new Z."
Nobody came out and said "no DAS". You could also infer that he meant that the Z would get a better calibration of DAS.

However, I don't think DAS will be on the Z. I am sure EPS will be, however.

EPS is also lamented as being "not as good" as hydraulic steering.

There's a difference between DAS and EPS. DAS would have a computer re-interpreting your steering inputs. This is why people dislike DAS.
EPS is basically Electric Power Steering. EPS can be done to "feel" like hydraulic. Most EPS these days are over-boosted, and they may have some "DAS" in them in the form of "LKA" (lane keep assist).

Ideally, hydraulic is best. However, I don't think the VR30DDTT has provisions for a PS pump, if Nissan calibrates an EPS correctly, it's a non-issue.
If you see a new Z with LKA, you can pretty much be sure the steering will be "artificial" compared to hydraulic.
 

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This is priority for Nissan to properly set up the susp tuning, brakes, plus tire selection to handle this excellent power.

I suppose we will still get the electronic steering, that has to be done right for feel, to control this Z also.

I’m really looking forward to wring out this baby on track.
Has to have hydraulic power steer. I've had electric assist before and makes it hard to drift.
 

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Nobody came out and said "no DAS". You could also infer that he meant that the Z would get a better calibration of DAS.

However, I don't think DAS will be on the Z. I am sure EPS will be, however.

EPS is also lamented as being "not as good" as hydraulic steering.

There's a difference between DAS and EPS. DAS would have a computer re-interpreting your steering inputs. This is why people dislike DAS.
EPS is basically Electric Power Steering. EPS can be done to "feel" like hydraulic. Most EPS these days are over-boosted, and they may have some "DAS" in them in the form of "LKA" (lane keep assist).

Ideally, hydraulic is best. However, I don't think the VR30DDTT has provisions for a PS pump, if Nissan calibrates an EPS correctly, it's a non-issue.
If you see a new Z with LKA, you can pretty much be sure the steering will be "artificial" compared to hydraulic.
If it has to have DAS I really hope they do take the time to get it calibrated right so there is some feeling.
 
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